das hondata opinions

[klintman]

with a couple months of tinkering with hondata systems (for some of you) what are your current opinions on them ? if youd care to break down the tuning costs and the results you have been able to atain , id apreciate it too .

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99' GSR / JRSC @ 6psi
-JR MAP & BTC
-Walbro 342
-Comptech exhaust & intake/icebox
-Comptech/Koni coilovers
-Mugen 22mm rear sway bar

[Sonnyballs]

I've had it for about 3 months now and I think it is a fabulous system overall. There are cheaper systems and Hondata does have some drawbacks, but the software is so easy to use, the support is fantastic, and it has worked great for me.

Some of the benefits of the system have included: elimination of tip-in detonation, cut my peak fuel pressure in half, got an a/f ratio that looks like a table-top, seamless transition into boost, 1.5 hours of dyno tuning my base map gave me 20whp peak with gains everywhere else to boot, car runs like stock while not under boost, etc.

I'm a stage 4B user and I've spent $185 at the dyno.

That being said, I would never ever consider going forced induction an any car again without engine management. It is light years ahead of the piggback crap that comes in most of the kits.

Sonny

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Sonny Van Hook ([email protected])
2000 JRSC'd Civic Si @ 6psi (Powered by Hondata)
1999 Tonykart/Honda 125cc Shifter (in the works)

[CivicR]

Sonnyballs....so whats your grand total spent on the Hondata??...for someone that has OBD2 or even OBD1 is it worth the extra expense?...or is maybe the new AEM system something to think about...due to the fact that its plug-n-play with no adapters? and definately alot less fragile or cumbersome than the Hondata...now I know thats its new and not field tested yet by anyone here(someone on another board that Im friends with just ordered his so Im waiting for info back from him)...but I think it may have some potential??...especially since its supposed to have built in knock control which would eliminate the need for a J&S....by the way Im not trying to make it a AEM vs Hondata war ....Im just trying to get some good info

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John
B18C1 Powered 95 Civic EX Coupe(Sold)
H22A Powered 92 Civic VX Hatch(In the works)
88 CRX(Coming soon)

[This message has been edited by CivicR (edited December 04, 2001).]

[klintman]

its my understanding that the hoadata ecu can only be programed by burning a new eprom . is this correct ? its a little premature for a war between aem & hondata , but if the aem system is all it appears to be and $1400 to boot , there will be no war .

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99' GSR / JRSC @ 6psi
-JR MAP & BTC
-Walbro 342
-Comptech exhaust & intake/icebox
-Comptech/Koni coilovers
-Mugen 22mm rear sway bar

[This message has been edited by klintman (edited December 04, 2001).]

[cpa]

I thought the AEM site said it is not "plug and play" for forced induction, requiring an "adapter."

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[Civic Power]

I Love it have a stage 3 with Datalogging for my 99 Civic Si with a JRSC. The total cost of the system was 1,758.98 with (440)injectors.
The Cost for Dyno/ Tuning Time was 200.00

My Best Without the Hondata was 176.5 hp with 125.8 Torque.
With The Hondata Pulled 206.8 hp with 137.5 Torque.
With A Nice A/f Curve Not Bad.


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Drive It Like You Stole It "
99 Civic Si w/ JRSC

[This message has been edited by Civic Power (edited December 04, 2001).]

[Sonnyballs]

Civic Power: Those are some awesome gains!!





Sonny

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Sonny Van Hook ([email protected])
2000 JRSC'd Civic Si @ 6psi (Powered by Hondata)
1999 Tonykart/Honda 125cc Shifter (in the works)

[CivicR]

I will take a guess and say that the additional parts needed by the AEM system for boost may just be a MAP sensor that can handle more boost than the stock one?...just a guess??

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John
B18C1 Powered 95 Civic EX Coupe(Sold)
H22A Powered 92 Civic VX Hatch(In the works)
88 CRX(Coming soon)

[Sonnyballs]

There doesn't seem to be much info out there about the AEM yet. For that reason alone, I'd probably steer clear of it for awhile. For the money, it looks like a great deal, but who are you gonna turn to for support when you need it? Can you trade info with any other people who are running an AEM in a car/blower setup like yours? Are there any people running it experiencing problems with it? Download the demo software and play with it. Do you understand what is going on? I found the AEM software to be a bit hard to use, but if you get some support, you could probably learn it quickly. Someone mentioned an additional harness if you want boost...you should find out whether or not that is true...it'd certainly suck to buy it and find out that it's not complete for your car.

Those were some of the questions that came into mind when I chose the Hondata over Speed Pro and Haltech. If you wanna be a "pioneer", then certainly the AEM looks nice. Look at what Mark Higgins (Dirtylude) did for the Haltech. Being an engine management newbie, I chose to go with something that I knew I could get support for.

As for cost, I've spent about $1700 on the system itself. That does not include the cost of larger injectors since you'll need those with any system you choose.

Sonny

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Sonny Van Hook ([email protected])
2000 JRSC'd Civic Si @ 6psi (Powered by Hondata)
1999 Tonykart/Honda 125cc Shifter (in the works)

[klintman]

the stock map sensor can read up to something like 10psi of boost (anyone?). i think hondata retains them for their system . the map sensor would have to be plumbed to read pressure from the intake manifold not the t/b .

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99' GSR / JRSC @ 6psi
-JR MAP & BTC
-Walbro 342
-Comptech exhaust & intake/icebox
-Comptech/Koni coilovers
-Mugen 22mm rear sway bar